by Brian P. Foley, The College Baseball Blog
I will be attending a football game this weekend between the Boston College Eagles and the Clemson Tigers. I will be paying attention to the Clemson sidelines which will be led Dabo Swinney who will be coaching his first road game in his career.
Why do people consider Clemson a good job for a potential head coach? It is located in Clemson South Carolina where you are competing against the SEC schools and other ACC schools in the recruiting circles. If your a recruit would you rather play at Clemson or Georgia right now? I think most recruits in their right minds would pick the Bulldogs.
The other issue at Clemson is the fact that Terry Don Phillips is the Athletic Director. He is seen throughout broadcasts on the sidelines of the Tigers. This can't be a good sign to have your boss looking over your shoulder. In Dabo's first game against Georgia Tech, Terry Don was seen shouting at Dabo as the Yellow Jackets were running the clock out.
Is the pressure to win at Clemson too much? They haven't won an ACC title since 1991 and a National Championship since 1981. I don't think they are relevant anymore at the national level. What do you think?
Wednesday, October 29, 2008
Clemson Football; Good job?
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Sorry but this is a terribly though out and written article.
According to Jimmy Sexton, who is an agent who represents such coaches as Nick Saban, Steve Spurrier, Phil Fulmer, Tommy Tuberville, Houston Nutt, Will Muschamp, Lane Kiffin & Butch Davis, Clemson is the #1 job out there this year.
"Every coach in the country right now wants Clemson," he said. "All of them. Because they feel like it's a quote `SEC' job.
"Eighty-something thousand people. Close to Georgia, in South Carolina, great recruiting base. But you play in a conference that isn't the SEC.
"A lot of coaches are starting to look at the SEC and say this might not be the best time to go there." – Jimmy Sexton, http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/kscarbinsky.ssf?/base/sports/1225181758150710.xml&coll=2&thispage=2
In other words, Clemson can pay an SEC salary and provide SEC passion without SEC competition. You can come to Clemson and compete for championships every year…period. And I am sure that Mr. Sexton knows a little bit more about college football jobs than you.
Also, Clemson has had no trouble recruiting against all of the SEC schools that surround it either. CJ Spiller, Jamie Harper, Ricky Sapp, James Davis, Willy Korn & Daquan Bowers are just a few guys that will laugh at your recruiting comments.
And in regards to your comments about Terry Don Philips…once again, do some research. Philips is on the sideline at some point of every football game. And he wasn’t yelling at Dabo…he was yelling that the officials made a bad call (which is confirmed in the replay).
Maybe you should do us all a favor and stick to baseball.
No Trouble recruiting against the SEC... Let's look at some tangible figures not rating high school players.
Clemson currently has 13 players in the NFL.
Now let's look at the SEC:
LSU 39
Georgia 38
Tennessee 36
Florida 33
Auburn 31
Alabama 22
South Carolina 18
Arkansas 18
Ole Miss 17
Miss St. 16
Vandy 13
Kentucky 9
More than Kentucky. Woo. Sorry but kids aren't often going to pick Clemson over any of the top SEC schools. Sure every once in awhile someone might get tantalized by the incredibly queer purple jerseys, but Clemson will not be plucking kids away from the SEC on a routine basis any time soon.
There are rumors that Clemson is looking at MSU coach Mark Dantonio.
I can tell, without any doubt that even though Dantonio played in South Carolina, there is no way he would take that job....
Like most rabid fan bases out there, Tigers fans believe that their school is a "sleeping giant" and is so close to regaining what they once had.
Somebody needs a reality check
Lets see the replay..because when I watched it he was yelling at the coaching staff.
Even if he was yelling at the officials, He should be in his press box wining and dinning some big time boosters.
Reading comprehension Mr. Foley...it's a skill acquire it. The gentleman didn't say that TDP was yelling at the officials. He said he was yelling ABOUT the call the officials made.
And for the not so bright Simon: Last time I checked, this was a talk about college football...not the NFL. Using NFL rosters to gauge recruting isn't too bright on your part. Why don't you look at recruiting rankings??? Wouldn't that be a little more accurate there genius?
2008: 12th ranked recruiting class nationally.
2007: 16th
2006: 15th
I would say that Clemson can recruit.
But thanks for coming out.
Recruiting rankings are estimations of what scouts think High School players will amount to with limited exposure to the actual player.
Gaging how many NFL players a school has produced shows exactly what kind of talent the school produces on a year to year basis. The facts are that Clemsons recruiting numbers have neither produced wins nor produced professional athletes. Perhaps these recruiting numbers are hallow.
Simon....you aren't too bright. If you are going to argue a point...stick to the point.
The original comment was that Clemson has been doing fine recruiting against the big boys in the SEC. You don't define that by NFL players...period. Player development has ZERO to do with RECRUITING. Recruiting is simply signing the best talent possible. What happens to those kids once they get on campus is a completely different story.
You're argument would have to be that the SEC schools in question have developed the players better once recruiting is done and the kids are on campus. And probably no Clemson fans would argue because the coaching at Clemson has been horrendous to say the least. Nobody has done less with more.
So once again, Clemson HAS BEEN ABLE TO RECRUIT WITH THE SEC. The recruiting rankings have consistently beared that out.
Thanks for coming out.
I did stick to the point... My point is you are relying on recruiting numbers of high school kids as if they are the bible when in fact they are not. You are essentially saying that going to Clemson ruins your chance of becoming a Pro.
Scouting and recruiting are a highly inexact science. Just because you get a so called 5 star player doesn't mean shit. It doesn't even mean he really is a 5 star player. It could just mean that he had the best game of his career when a scout with high influence was there.
In order to make the NFL you actually need to have superior talent. Are the recruiting rankings the for Clemson over-inflated or are you going to blame Tommy Bowden for not molding so called good recruits into pro athletes?
The facts are that Clemson is not a flashy school. For the generation of kids coming out of high school now they have basically zero recollection of Clemson winning. They are not an SEC school. They are not on CBS nationally televised games a few times a year. They are barely ever on ABC given the competition from Bigger name schools in the ACC, Big 12, Big 10 and Pac 10.
Regardless I'm done with this convo. Clemson isn't a premium
job. It isn't a premium program. And perhaps you should get over your lofty expectations before you live the rest of your life incredibly disappointed.
By the way, to prove your recruiting point is so perfect... why didn't you utilize the Scout.com numbers.
2009: 42
2008: 11
2007: 23
2006: 22
2005: 21
2004: 40
2003: 43
2002: 28
Look at those recruiting numbers they're pretty damn mediocre... kind of like Clemson's football program.
Perhaps that's why they don't produce any pro athletes. Because they don't recruit players with enough talent to develop into pros.
The bigger problem is that the AD is named "Terry Don." What kind of serious place lets a man named "Terry Don" run anything? A used car dealership or a chain of chicken franchises, Terry Don is your man. You need an oily booster who'll provide cash, no-show jobs and co-eds to players and who'll eventually get caught up in some scandal that shames the university? You find yourself a Terry Don. But as AD? I wouldn't send my kid to that school.
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